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. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner is a little more old school in that. he came to congress in 1990. he was sort of a reformer and teamed up with democrats, he was more pragmatic and climbed into the leadership and fell out and climbed back in. he was next in line for the leadership when the tea party thing happen. the story of his speakership is the tea party conservatives are waiting for the minute he sells them out. he hasn't sold them out yet. >> it's like the tail wagging the dog. >> he doesn't exercise any p power. this is a test this month. he's waiting this out and looking to have enough cred
. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the beginning because they didn't want to target on their back. i think this is almost a game of chicken right now. the problem is it's a game of chicken with very, very high stakes. and you've got the white house out there, you know, publicly putting pressure on republicans by sending obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind the scenes with boehner. and it's a two-prong strategy that i think carries real risk. >> it's kind of negotiation 101. i mean, the most basic kind of negotiation, you know, don't show your hand if you don't have to. i'm wondering, ma
boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the...
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look, boehner has, right now, a few cards that he can play. he wants to quiet the noise on his side. you talk about the joint references. why is he always saying what he's saying publicly. that's just to make sure that people know that, look, this is still important for us. but he gets inside the room. you even eluded to that movement. >> you're laying out what you think republicans can give. what do you think the democrats, the moderates, the progress ifrs really want to see on the other side? do they want to see the rate change for the rich? above 250, 300, 400? do they want to say before you take a piece out of me, you've got to take a piece out of them. >> i think the 250 above is really important 679 i'll fell you why that is. it's because if you look at who got hurt the most in the downturn, it was the 98%, right? the very rich, the wealthiest in this country did pretty well. they did well even as the rest of the country has fallen often the cliff. so the idea that you're going to make it a little more progressive, even if later on you d
look, boehner has, right now, a few cards that he can play. he wants to quiet the noise on his side. you talk about the joint references. why is he always saying what he's saying publicly. that's just to make sure that people know that, look, this is still important for us. but he gets inside the room. you even eluded to that movement. >> you're laying out what you think republicans can give. what do you think the democrats, the moderates, the progress ifrs really want to see on the other...
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rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans punish e speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they have been very, very strong about do not touch the entitlements, we're not going to move on this. so you have the president not moving on rates. you h
rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones...
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on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier. good afternoon. >> thanks for having me on. >> great to have you ron. you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan, jeb hensarling, and tom price. mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and tired of speaker boehner? >> well, there's really two big reasons and they happened in the last two weeks that really have been the nail in the coffin. one is the tax hikes. he's proposed basically to raise taxes on charities and job creators and he thinks that that's where his starting point is with president obama. >> hold on a second. let's be factual. i think what he said was that he was open to $800 billion in revenues but he did not specify the deductions. >> the only way you could get $800 billion in deductions is to go after the charitable deduction and
on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier. good afternoon. >> thanks for having me on. >> great to have you ron. you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan, jeb hensarling, and tom price. mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and...
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i say to my friend john boehner you control matters on the floor, no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. >> house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid on the fiscal cliff standoff. "the new york times" reporting gop leaders are considering extending tax cuts for the fiscal class to avert the fiscal cliff but if that is the case republicans are staying very tight lipped about it. joining me is senator ben carden from maryland a member of the budget committee and the committee on finance. good to have you here and you have said one thing you want from these talks is to show the markets and to show leaders, that leaders have the situation under control there, in your estimation, how would you say that's going so far? >> well predictability is very important. i think the first step is exactly what leader reid said. if we can get predictability on the taxable income below $250,000, everyone knows that's under current ra
i say to my friend john boehner you control matters on the floor, no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. >> house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid on the fiscal cliff standoff. "the new york times" reporting gop leaders are considering extending tax cuts for the fiscal class to avert the fiscal cliff but if that is the...
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boehner's office denied that as, quote, nutty. i have a question for the congressman about the debt ceiling, which seems to be now the fault position for the republicans, let's get rid of this and negotiate on the debt ceiling. two questions, one, will any agreement come out for the fiscal cliff leave the debt ceiling unresolved, and, two, what would you even negotiate on the debt ceiling, should that be something that republicans force your hand on? are you with the president who says we need to kick them of that habit and never negotiate on raising the debt ceiling again? >> i think the president is right. the debt ceiling ought not to be a negotiable item. i don't know of anyone who agrees not putting america's credit worthiness at risk, saying to the world that america has incurred debt but is not going to pay them, is an alternative. i don't think that's -- i think senator mcconnell doesn't believe that, senator reid doesn't believe it, congresswoman pelosi doesn't agree, i don't agree, the majority leader doesn't agree with
boehner's office denied that as, quote, nutty. i have a question for the congressman about the debt ceiling, which seems to be now the fault position for the republicans, let's get rid of this and negotiate on the debt ceiling. two questions, one, will any agreement come out for the fiscal cliff leave the debt ceiling unresolved, and, two, what would you even negotiate on the debt ceiling, should that be something that republicans force your hand on? are you with the president who says we need...
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john boehner says there's no progress. does he mean it? we'll hash it out with david gregory, chris cizilla and the campaign to fix the debt. will governor nikki haley appoint stephen colbert to the senate? just imagine the filibuster. the latest with politico's maggie haberman on the impact of jim demint's departure. is there a military solution to counter weapons in syria. the latest from the white house picture gallery. all that and more coming up on "andrea mitchell reports." two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. or treat gas with these after you get it. now that's like sunblock before or sun burn cream later. oh,
john boehner says there's no progress. does he mean it? we'll hash it out with david gregory, chris cizilla and the campaign to fix the debt. will governor nikki haley appoint stephen colbert to the senate? just imagine the filibuster. the latest with politico's maggie haberman on the impact of jim demint's departure. is there a military solution to counter weapons in syria. the latest from the white house picture gallery. all that and more coming up on "andrea mitchell reports." two...
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president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that
president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the...
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how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a fundamental divide here. the president says rates have to go up. he doesn't want to trade the debt ceiling for anything. he thinks that should be separate. and boehner put out a proposal saying we'll raise invest knews but we're going to lower rates. won't specify, as you noted earlier. there seems to be in the staff level at least not much progress, any progress, being made. i have to believe the fundamental dynamic is still the same, that boehner is going to have a hard time convincing more than half of his caucus, even half of his caucus, to support something that really gives the president a lot in terms of revenue cuts and doesn't
how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a...
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john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not like raising the eligibility age for medicare. so there are other things that happen? can we scale back the generosity of the obama care subsidies? can we start means testing in additional ways in the medicare program? they have to get creative. >> they got it to get creative, zachary. this comes at the busiest time of the year for retailers and businesses. have you noticed any signs at this point that consumers are at all holding back this holiday season fearing we may go over the so-called fiscal cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers ho
john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not...
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john boehner, though, has been really pushing back. he had the news conference yesterday and this is what he said. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new
john boehner, though, has been really pushing back. he had the news conference yesterday and this is what he said. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change...
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the fact that we saw the president meeting with speaker boehner yesterday at the white house, we have to think that these conversations are getting into more detail. so i think today is when we'll maybe see some more of these details possibly shake loose. or there could be such a close hold because maybe progress is being made. >> all right. another interesting thing that i do want to talk about today is this article that politico has out dealing with republican leaders. and only adds to the question of who is the gop leader right now. 47% of republicans have a favorable view of mitt romney and congressman paul ryan. 47%. that number is just going to haunt them till the end of days. 29% say the same of house speaker john boehner. 39% view jeb bush in a favorable light. 36% of republicans haven't even heard of marco rubio. carrie, there's no definitive answer in all of this as to who republicans see emerging as a true leader moving forward. >> sure. that's the challenge that republicans face right now after mitt romney, who doesn't hold a public office where he can continue to sort of
the fact that we saw the president meeting with speaker boehner yesterday at the white house, we have to think that these conversations are getting into more detail. so i think today is when we'll maybe see some more of these details possibly shake loose. or there could be such a close hold because maybe progress is being made. >> all right. another interesting thing that i do want to talk about today is this article that politico has out dealing with republican leaders. and only adds to...
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now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what john boehner is advocating is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and it
now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than...
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speaker boehner's approval rating is taking a beating. the top tax rates that is a core issue for republicans, even though we are hearing from more of them, a handful of members in both the house and senate talking about the likely hood that that will in fact happen. the highest earners will pay more. that would likely be the last piece of the puzzle in a negotiation. i'm hearing from people in both sides say expect this to keep going and a likelihood if a deal is achievable it will happen close to the deadline seems to be the thinking. they are telling everybody to be prepared to be here during the holidays. we are hearing that as well. there is sort of a resignation that it's going to be a long process. >> thank you, kelly. great le appreciate it. the national political reporter for the atlantic democratic strategist keith bicycle in. amy stoddard, associate editor for the hill paper. thank you all for joining us. let me start off with you. we are going to show our audience later the headlines or a couple of the headlines out there. if
speaker boehner's approval rating is taking a beating. the top tax rates that is a core issue for republicans, even though we are hearing from more of them, a handful of members in both the house and senate talking about the likely hood that that will in fact happen. the highest earners will pay more. that would likely be the last piece of the puzzle in a negotiation. i'm hearing from people in both sides say expect this to keep going and a likelihood if a deal is achievable it will happen...
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speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not now. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc di
speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not...
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president obama and house speaker john boehner finally on speaking terms. but the question is are they speaking each other's language yet when it comes to the fiscal cliff? with just 26 days to go before the country officially goes over the edge, there are reports a growing course of republicans are pressuring house leaders to cave on tax hikes for the wealthy, this following president obama and speaker boehner's first phone
president obama and house speaker john boehner finally on speaking terms. but the question is are they speaking each other's language yet when it comes to the fiscal cliff? with just 26 days to go before the country officially goes over the edge, there are reports a growing course of republicans are pressuring house leaders to cave on tax hikes for the wealthy, this following president obama and speaker boehner's first phone
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boehner will be glad to see the end of mr. demint. >> i'm sure he will. i think it represents the weakens of the tea party within congress. jim demint is a movement conservative. we have certainly not seen nor heard the last of him. he will find other ways to create headaches for both boehner and mcconnell, but i agree with david. most importantly, it may be a slight relief from the headache for john boehner, but he's still got a big challenge in that he is negotiating at this point with himself and not facing the reality that he doesn't really have a lot of leverage. >> indeed. jared, speaking of the details themselves, speaker boehner is saying that his is a serious offer that produces sufficient revenue and savings for the next decade. you're an economist, does it? do his numbers really add up? >> well, no, they don't add up because they lack any level of specificity that you would need to even write them down and put a plus sign next to them so see if they'd add up. he did the same -- >> hang on a second though. he said he stuck $800 billion in revenu
boehner will be glad to see the end of mr. demint. >> i'm sure he will. i think it represents the weakens of the tea party within congress. jim demint is a movement conservative. we have certainly not seen nor heard the last of him. he will find other ways to create headaches for both boehner and mcconnell, but i agree with david. most importantly, it may be a slight relief from the headache for john boehner, but he's still got a big challenge in that he is negotiating at this point with...
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i'm glad speaker boehner met with the president yesterday. that's a positive step and i'm an optimist, so i hope that that continues. >> come see us if you decide to run for governor. we'll have a nice platform for you right here. thank you, charlie crist, democrat of florida. >>> up next, the latest sighting of mitt romney in a place you'd never expect, never. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. they used centrum silver for the study... so i guess my wife was right. [ male announcer ] centrum. always your most complete. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life
i'm glad speaker boehner met with the president yesterday. that's a positive step and i'm an optimist, so i hope that that continues. >> come see us if you decide to run for governor. we'll have a nice platform for you right here. thank you, charlie crist, democrat of florida. >>> up next, the latest sighting of mitt romney in a place you'd never expect, never. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it...
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on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative movement. joining me is the former head of the rnc and joy reed, managing editor of rio.com, also one of us. this is what happens when you go near the misery index, the rush limbaugh show. yesterday, jim demint, still the united states senator from south carolina and the out-going heritage foundation president dent and rush made fun of the speaker. let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bi
on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative...
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>> want to know about john boehner? >> sure. >> do we have the boehner sound bite? roll it. >> the president and i had a deliberate call yesterday and we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. but the president's calling for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> we can bring a bill to the floor that the republicans don't have to vote for except for 25. hi to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to the floor to fund the war in iraq? it's tough. but you have to do it. is the point you don't want to put your members on the spot, figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> figure it out, richard, when both sides are dealing with each other in good faith and i think it's important to note that the president was at one point $6 trillion. he's at $1.4 trillion. that ain't nothing. i think that requires john boehner, if we're playing in good faith to publicly go from 800 to 1. send a message and have the battles that we were talking about, michael was talking about, how are you going
>> want to know about john boehner? >> sure. >> do we have the boehner sound bite? roll it. >> the president and i had a deliberate call yesterday and we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. but the president's calling for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> we can bring a bill to the floor that the republicans don't have to vote for except for 25. hi to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like...
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boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal. >> i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one, in my case, where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill. i'm sorry. there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin. >> and you can put that on a christmas card. so which sides benefits most from this you go first type of game? >> you know, it's a great question. i do think that we're going to come away with tax hikes for the rich. that's been one of hits key goals, huge issue in the campaign. i think that has to happen. i expect it to happen. that will be a good thing. what i'm hoping is that doesn't mean that republicans will harden around raising the debt ceiling a couple of months from now because that becomes then this continuing game of chicken and that's really what we don't want to see in terms of getting the economy back on track. >> that is the potential nex
boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal. >> i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one, in my case, where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill. i'm sorry. there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin. >> and you can put that on a christmas card. so which sides benefits most from...
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john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> they took it and threw it in the garbage. i was so heart broken to hear this i said, look, how about this, john? if you agree to a 1% rate on the top 2 americans, just 2 people, i will dissolve social security. dissolve it. so we took it to the republicans and congress and what do they do? >> invited me to a pizza party. >> and when they got there -- when you got there, sir? >> it was a burned out warehouse. >> did you go inside? >> yes. >> and was there any pizza? >> no. >> and then what happened? >> they jumped out and pelted me with eggs. >> fresh eggs? >> rotten eggs. >> bill, i'll tell you, i feel like john boehner. mike has invited me to dinner many, many times. i show up and he's not there. all right. let's turn to reality news now. mtv has been looking for replacements of the "jersey
john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> they took it and threw it in the garbage. i was so heart broken to hear this i said, look, how about this, john? if you agree to a 1% rate on the top 2 americans, just 2 people, i will dissolve social security. dissolve it. so we took it to the...
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seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like we're closer and closer to a deal where rates rise. so conservative republicans will be asked to raise rates, something that's been anath ma to the party and the far right wing. and then you guys are reporting over at politico the next battle is going to be immigration reform. where they're likely to be asked to support what many of them would have sort of offensively and wrongly called amnesty for illegals. isn't there a revolt on the right in the house republican caucus in particular? >> i certainly think that there is possibly some carryover effect of one issue to the next, particularly if the right fe
seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like...
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what can boehner do? >> i think that a lot of that consternation on the right is going towards john boehner is a little bit overplayed. surely, there are folks who are angry at him, but his speakership is not in any serious jeopardy at this time. what i find interesting here, though, joy, especially coming out of the press conference with speaker boehner just now, is he neglected to answer head on questions about whether or not he would allow a bill that would go to the floor that who lower rates for those making $250,000 or below, and what we're hearing on capitol hill is this idea from republicans that, look, we're not going to win this fight on taxes right now. let's allow the president to have his tax rates on the wealthiest earners go up. however, we're not going to give him a single other priority of his that he would like to see in this type of deal, like unemployment insurance. we're not going to give him anything like a payroll tax cut, and we're going to move to the debt limit in order to try to
what can boehner do? >> i think that a lot of that consternation on the right is going towards john boehner is a little bit overplayed. surely, there are folks who are angry at him, but his speakership is not in any serious jeopardy at this time. what i find interesting here, though, joy, especially coming out of the press conference with speaker boehner just now, is he neglected to answer head on questions about whether or not he would allow a bill that would go to the floor that who...
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let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bit the other way. here is an outgoing united states senator not being very outgoing about the speaker of the house saying he might lose his job because demint is going to the heritage foundation. explain that rubik's cube. >> actually, there's no connection. that's just idle banter with rush limbaugh. the speaker is going to be back in charge. he's negotiating right now with the president. >> but why clip the speaker on the way by? >> it's sort of setting the stage for what's to come. he's going to go out, he's got a new platform, an elevated voice, if you will. he's not one of 100. he's now really representing a lot of conservative voices around the country, but the thing to be careful about here is, you know, you talked about the split within the party. that split has been there for a while. it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of ye
let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bit the other way. here is an outgoing united states senator not being very outgoing about the speaker of the house saying he might lose his job because demint is going to the heritage foundation. explain that rubik's cube. >> actually,...
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to john boehner. he is giving interviews to local tv stations, to change some of the numbers that we just saw on your poll so that by the time we hit the fiscal cliff fall-off point, the public will not equally blame the democrats or the republicans. they will blame the republicans. i don't think john boehner can do local tv hits and change people's minds. >> that's always, of course, the megaphone that the white house enjoys, and they add this to the schedule because they can tell day by day how it's tracking. >> sure. >> how is this going to affect issues coming up? for instance, immigration. >> well -- >> which the president said to "the des moines register" before the election, is one of his top priorities. >> i talked to people in the white house who are very familiar with the legislative agenda of the president, and they say comprehensive immigration reform -- we're not talking just the dream act that affects children and doesn't do anything about the 11 million. we're talking about putting 11 m
to john boehner. he is giving interviews to local tv stations, to change some of the numbers that we just saw on your poll so that by the time we hit the fiscal cliff fall-off point, the public will not equally blame the democrats or the republicans. they will blame the republicans. i don't think john boehner can do local tv hits and change people's minds. >> that's always, of course, the megaphone that the white house enjoys, and they add this to the schedule because they can tell day by...
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thanks. >>> coming up, just in, republicans are trying to fire john boehner. he's leading their talks with the president but they want him out. we'll have that story. >>> and how about this, a gold medal winner heads to "politicsnation." gabby douglas is here to share her story. you won't want to miss this one. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. offering some of our best values of the year. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of l
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we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say
we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key...
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now, what needs to happen to persuade speaker boehner? i mean, do we need to raise lazarus from the dead? >> i don't know what we have to do. the public has clearly spoken. this election showed that people in regard to making less than $250,000 the tax cuts should be extended. we agree on that. we need to let that happen as soon as possible. but they have also said that those who have benefitted and are doing very well in our society should pay more. and so i don't know why they can't get this through their heads, martin. but they need to get it. because the public has spoken and the public has been very clear on that. >> and today former speaker nancy pelosi schooled speaker boehner on what it means to make difficult decisions as a leader. take a listen to this. >> i had to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to floor to fund the war in iraq? so it's tough. but you have to do it. so is the point that you don't want to put your members on the spot, figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> there's nancy pe
now, what needs to happen to persuade speaker boehner? i mean, do we need to raise lazarus from the dead? >> i don't know what we have to do. the public has clearly spoken. this election showed that people in regard to making less than $250,000 the tax cuts should be extended. we agree on that. we need to let that happen as soon as possible. but they have also said that those who have benefitted and are doing very well in our society should pay more. and so i don't know why they can't get...
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it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of their committee seats for voting against party leadership in the past. but boehner finds himself in an increasingly weak position. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell refused to take a position on boehner's debt plan today. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house leadership for trying to move. the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> house democrats are cranking up the pressure. tim walsh of minnesota introduced a discharge petition on the middle class tax cuts in the house. if it gets 218 signatures, it would get a floor vote before the end of the month. >> this is an issue that we all agree on. >> democratic leader nancy pelosi announced a plan for the discharge petition last week. the petition keeps the focus on extending tax cuts for 98% of americans. i spoke to leader pelosi late this afternoon about the strategy and the latest de
it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of their committee seats for voting against party leadership in the past. but boehner finds himself in an increasingly weak position. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell refused to take a position on boehner's debt plan today. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house leadership for...
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. >> then it looks like a win for boehner. that's -- i see that as his way not to lose his job and not to have all those republicans who, by the way, really don't like him being in the room alone. he becomes, you know, more of a collaborationist in that room alone with obama. >> they would prefer certain members of the republican party would like to see these televised, these negotiations televised on c-span. john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership. it's me and you. >> seconds and thirds in there have cantor in there and mccarthy in there, some other people. >> i'm sure cantor would like to be in there. >> yes. >> michael steele, the other thing -- the other sort of pieces of leverage here, if they exist for the republican party, are continuing unemployment insurance. 2.1 million long-term unemployed americans will lose benefits at the end much the year. another million will lose benefits in the next three months if we do nothing. the republicans have sort of said we're going to hold this stuff.
. >> then it looks like a win for boehner. that's -- i see that as his way not to lose his job and not to have all those republicans who, by the way, really don't like him being in the room alone. he becomes, you know, more of a collaborationist in that room alone with obama. >> they would prefer certain members of the republican party would like to see these televised, these negotiations televised on c-span. john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership....
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the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no leverage. the consequences of doing nothing before the december 31st meeting were worse for them than democrats. they looked into 2013 and maybe found something there. they're threatening again to hold the full credit of the united states hostage. joous lick the debacle of 2011. obama's official position on this is he won't be blackmailed. and he won't -- but this is a dangerous game. if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a lon
the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no...
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only 39% of republicans approve of boehner's handling of it. so it's not like he has the wind to his back. >> that's right. i think that speaks to, really, this is a fractionist party. boehner's is the leader of this house faction, but i think the republican party is very split nationwide and those polls suggest -- and i do think, also, that we're seeing a lot in the public play out. but there's all sorts of private talks going on that we just don't know about. you heard from pelosi today about talks that she had. of what her impressions of where this deal actually is. you heard from jay carney the same thing. they don't want to play this out in public. they don't want to play it out in that way because it might jeopardize a deal later on. on the one hand, you have boehner with a public theater that may not actually be in keeping with what is actually going on behind closed doors. i think both of these men are ultimately going to have to get a deal done. and both of them are thinking about their legacy. they're also thinking about what it's goi
only 39% of republicans approve of boehner's handling of it. so it's not like he has the wind to his back. >> that's right. i think that speaks to, really, this is a fractionist party. boehner's is the leader of this house faction, but i think the republican party is very split nationwide and those polls suggest -- and i do think, also, that we're seeing a lot in the public play out. but there's all sorts of private talks going on that we just don't know about. you heard from pelosi today...
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. >>> gasoline almost half a buck cheaper and going lower as obama and boehner meet face to face to peer over the looming fist cliff. >>> the latest on the death of the royal nurse. >>> handcuffed man makes off with a police cruiser. >>> and could hillary clinton be presented with an offer she can't refuse? >>> very good morning to you, i'm veronica de la cruz. right now residents in the midwest are waking up to some of the heaviest snowfall they've seen in two months. a low moving storm dumped more than a foot. 150 flight cancellations and delays at minneapolis st. paul airport. nbc meteorologist bill karins has been tracking those storms. it looks bad. >> impressive. ten inches in minneapolis. winter has arrived and in a big way through the middle of the country. the wind chills are brutal this morning. all of this mess is now sliding to the east coast. thankfully not the snow and ice. the storm itself is actually located over lower michigan heading up towards just north of buffalo. these storms in the winter that track up into canada drag warmer air to the east coast. that's why we're
. >>> gasoline almost half a buck cheaper and going lower as obama and boehner meet face to face to peer over the looming fist cliff. >>> the latest on the death of the royal nurse. >>> handcuffed man makes off with a police cruiser. >>> and could hillary clinton be presented with an offer she can't refuse? >>> very good morning to you, i'm veronica de la cruz. right now residents in the midwest are waking up to some of the heaviest snowfall they've...
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boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within the republican conference could have, is now aligned with wehner completely. strengths his hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmak
boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within...
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. >> ruth, let me ask you about the fiscal cliff because within the hour john boehner was on the floor and said his meeting was nice. >> cordial. >> where are the cuts? both sides saying that the other has not been specific enough about what they're willing to put on the table. the calendar now is the real enemy. they have to get some kind of outline together or else it's going to be a legislative agreement to create another commission and tregers down the road, and that is going to freak the markets. >> we'll see how freaked the markets get. you may have better insight into that than i do. also, it's not just the calendar is an enemy. the desire to have the other side take the leap first is the enemy, and also, i think keep your eye on the debt ceiling. the president's desire to wrap this in the republicans desire to kick that can down the road and have perhaps more leverage in later debt ceiling negotiations could end up also being something that makes it very difficult to reach closure here by the time we all want to go away for the holiday. >> you can say that again. ruth marcus, t
. >> ruth, let me ask you about the fiscal cliff because within the hour john boehner was on the floor and said his meeting was nice. >> cordial. >> where are the cuts? both sides saying that the other has not been specific enough about what they're willing to put on the table. the calendar now is the real enemy. they have to get some kind of outline together or else it's going to be a legislative agreement to create another commission and tregers down the road, and that is...
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it's doing definite damage to boehner's brand. a new "washington post"/abc poll showing voters overwhelmingly disapprove of boehner's handling of the fiscal talks. it's an even split on the president. who is still sticking to his guns, urging the gop to pass tax cuts for the middle class by christmas? >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal but time is running short. >> right to work is wrong! >>> our other story developing in michigan today, where labor unions are considering a large scale counter offensive. the home of the uaw is now the first blue right to work state after a pair of bills were signed into law by governor rick snyder who appeared on msnbc's "morning joe" today. >> i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with collective bargainin
it's doing definite damage to boehner's brand. a new "washington post"/abc poll showing voters overwhelmingly disapprove of boehner's handling of the fiscal talks. it's an even split on the president. who is still sticking to his guns, urging the gop to pass tax cuts for the middle class by christmas? >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me. we can afford it. it is entirely...
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they are part of boehner's strategy team? in the meantime, the white house is hitting back at boehner and the gop tactics. >> a question of whether or not we have specific spending cuts, the answer is we have. i understand they may not agree with all of it. but it exists. >> i'm joined by illinois congresswoman january schakowsky joining us tonight. congresswoman, good to have you with us. >> thanks, ed. >> harry reid now says it's going to be awful hard to reach a deal by christmas. where is this all heading, in your opinion? >> the republicans are in total disarray. i think john boehner went to the floor today to encourage his -- or to placate his tea party people saying the real answer is in more cuts and the president has to be clear about the cuts, which as you said, and pointed out, that we have been very explicit about that. i think it's going to be very hard for us at the end of the day and the end of the day is december 31, to come up with a final deal. and i think it only gets worse for the republicans. look, they w
they are part of boehner's strategy team? in the meantime, the white house is hitting back at boehner and the gop tactics. >> a question of whether or not we have specific spending cuts, the answer is we have. i understand they may not agree with all of it. but it exists. >> i'm joined by illinois congresswoman january schakowsky joining us tonight. congresswoman, good to have you with us. >> thanks, ed. >> harry reid now says it's going to be awful hard to reach a deal...
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with speaker boehner. that reflects his strength. boehner will condition to stand strong as long as he has their support. >> whatever deal he cuts, he will have 80 or 90. >> at the end of the day, yeah. if he agrees to it. that's the thing. you can imagine there will be a lot of pull from a lot of different sides on this within the condition conference. some of these guys are behind him on a lot of things and the conserfative pieces of the coalition there were not going along. there is a long way to go. >> i want to get your takes on this. michigan is losing the fight and the democrats think they will win the political war. is that all they got? you look at the history of the right to work, you never seem to be able to stop. >> it does have challenges. we are calling it right to work is a victory on the right. the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say
with speaker boehner. that reflects his strength. boehner will condition to stand strong as long as he has their support. >> whatever deal he cuts, he will have 80 or 90. >> at the end of the day, yeah. if he agrees to it. that's the thing. you can imagine there will be a lot of pull from a lot of different sides on this within the condition conference. some of these guys are behind him on a lot of things and the conserfative pieces of the coalition there were not going along. there...
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and this is where boehner is running into trouble. do you think they'll eventually put a rate increase on the table? >> they're either going to do that or take us into a very dangerous fiscal situation over the cliff. this is a loosy in the football situation and the president says, i'm not going to kick again until you show me some serious commitment. and keep in mind, this is the republican leadership that supported the $718 billion of savings in medicare that was part of the health care provisions to extend the life of medicare, and then ran against it, as being something that was stealing money from medicare. so it's not even just a matter of putting those ideas on the table, but willing to be consistent about it. but i think what you see right now from the white house is a deadly seriousness about this balance of getting our fiscal house in order, but also making sure we make the investments in the middle class to grow, and they're looking for a partner here. they've got to have a partner who's willing to put some facts on the ta
and this is where boehner is running into trouble. do you think they'll eventually put a rate increase on the table? >> they're either going to do that or take us into a very dangerous fiscal situation over the cliff. this is a loosy in the football situation and the president says, i'm not going to kick again until you show me some serious commitment. and keep in mind, this is the republican leadership that supported the $718 billion of savings in medicare that was part of the health...
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john boehner is just -- he's trying to triangulate here a little bit. and he's trying to bring his conference along. he is begging the white house to show him a path out. and the white house is sitting there going why do we do you any favors? you can understand the politics of it going why? why should do i you a favor, you did me no favors but at some point somebody is going to have to say okay, uncle, let's do this over here. >> the polling that you guys and the journal had would indicate that the public wants to get a deal done but as we know, there was that great jonathan weisman piece in the "times" this week that pointed out half the republican conference in the house was re-elected with 55% of the vote. the pointing being the political leverage with those members of congress come from the primary, not from the general election and that's what drives it. >> it is splitting the party. the guys that are statewide office holders are going to the house republicans you're killing party as a national -- and they are. if they're not careful, they are. >>
john boehner is just -- he's trying to triangulate here a little bit. and he's trying to bring his conference along. he is begging the white house to show him a path out. and the white house is sitting there going why do we do you any favors? you can understand the politics of it going why? why should do i you a favor, you did me no favors but at some point somebody is going to have to say okay, uncle, let's do this over here. >> the polling that you guys and the journal had would...
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and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> i want to bring in "time" magazine's assistant editor and "national journal"'s chris freitz. does this come down to john boehner and what he's willing to do? >> i think what we've been seeing for the last few months, the ideological struggle within the republican party. you've seen some moderate voices stepping up saying let's make a compromise but you have a house that's intransigent. i think bainer is in charge at the end of the day but he's got to wait, marshall the forces and have people coming to him and i hope this doe
and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we...
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boehner knows this. this is why boehner is now coming to the table saying, all right, we can't do the cliff thing, we'll get the political hit for it and we'll also be in a bad negotiating position. but he has to identify where the money's coming from. and it's got to be rates. i get a sense in washington that the democrats have drawn the line in the sand on rates. if you can't get rates, you can't get anything else. boehner's going to come out and identify a bunch of deductions. that's not going to be enough. you got to go the rates. once you do the rates, everything else might fall in place because do i think the white house will negotiate. >> i want to go over the stakes of all of this just for the average american family, if we do go over the cliff, about 90% of households would end up paying almost $3,500 more in taxes and one in five action pai -- taxpayers would have to pay the alternative minimum tax, which would mean an increase of $3,700 more of what you already know and those on unemployment i
boehner knows this. this is why boehner is now coming to the table saying, all right, we can't do the cliff thing, we'll get the political hit for it and we'll also be in a bad negotiating position. but he has to identify where the money's coming from. and it's got to be rates. i get a sense in washington that the democrats have drawn the line in the sand on rates. if you can't get rates, you can't get anything else. boehner's going to come out and identify a bunch of deductions. that's not...